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High Density RAM – Even I Get Suckered Sometimes

The Hunt

So just to prove that we "computer guys" can't know everything about everything, here's a little story of how I got suckered on eBay.

I finally decided that my computer needed an upgrade and RAM is always the #1 choice (since I only had 1Gb, I knew I needed more). I started hunting around, but found out something unpleasant. In the year and a half since I built my computer, DDR RAM has been replaced by the newer DDR2 to the point that DDR is now twice as expensive!

While I was hoping to score 2Gb for around $70 (or less), the cheapest I could find was $100 (not including shipping)! Enter eBay. I watched a few auctions to see what prices people were getting for DDR RAM and it wasn't looking good. The prices were almost as high as retail.

Found!

After a few days, Something great happened! I saw a set of DDR RAM for only $26 each!

The picture showed a normal-looking RAM chip with a Samsung logo and the big words SALE SALE emblazoned upon it. The Auction was listed as "SAMSUNG 1GB DDR PC3200 400MHz 1 GB PC 3200 2700 184-Pin". That's the size and speed of RAM I wanted and Samsung is a good brand so I was thrilled!

I skimmed over the details of the memory because I know what memory is and what it does and went to the shipping and other policies. He listed a shipping price of $10 per stick and said that he wouldn't combine since their prices were so low. With a quick calculation, I found that two of the sticks including shipping would only be around $70 so I granted him this small dishonesty (Not combining shipping is such a scam after all. I mean really, does it cost a bookstore $3.50 for each book in a box? I don't think so).

So I'm excited to get my RAM upgrade and it finally comes! What the hell is this?

…the hell?

I got something that looked like this in the mail. Wtf?

I didn't even open the plastic and went straight to the Internet to do some research. What I found was not encouraging. Apparently, there's this thing called "High Density RAM" that is cheap, generic, and incompatible with most motherboards.

When I went back to the auction, I found that, in the section where he includes a lot of basic RAM information that no one cares about like…

This is a 128M bit x 64 Double Data Rate SDRAM high density memory modules. The module consists of 128Mx4 bits16 CMOS with 4banks Double Data Rate SDRAMs in 66pin BGA packages mounted on a 184pin glass-epoxy substrate.

…he had a section in labeled "What is High Density" which I skipped over because I know what "High Density" means and I was more concerned about auction specific data, not stuff that was likely cut and pasted from a manufacturer website or some other auction.

It turns out that there's auction specific information in the "High Density" section and it contains some important disclaimers like:

Hmm. That's kinda important don't you think? Ok, so this guy has a disclaimer, but I if this guy didn't intend to manipulate and mislead, he ended up doing a pretty damned good job by accident. Allow me to explain.

If I Did It…

If I were to try and foist off my high-density RAM which I know won't work for most people and most people won't want, I'm going to need to make them think that it's normal RAM. For the record, I'm not saying that he did this, but it's what I would do if I were a dirty thieving scumbag who wanted to trick people.

Brand Confusion

Three lies in a single photo

First, I'm going to tell you that it's Samsung memory and splash their logo around which isn't quite a lie because the chips on the generic memory card are Samsung brand after all.

Picture Confusion

Next, the only pictures I'll use will be of a completely normal, non-assuming stick of DDR RAM. It looks like every other stick of RAM around so naturally, people who shop entriely by sight will be caught immediately and for everyone else, it will still create a strong mental impression.

Pretend it's on Sale

Third, I'm going to pretend it's a big SALE by putting the words "SALE" on the picture and including text like this: "**Exceptional service and high quality products meet super low prices**" and "Lowest price Ever! Hurry before it gone, Biggest sale**" and

We will NOT combine shipping charges for multiple items purchase however we will ship in the same package. Consider your total cost by adding S&H. We are trying to offer you the lowest price as possible by cutting down the unnecessarily cost. We don't appreciate negative feedbacks because of the high S&H. [emphasis mine – JD]

That way, people won't realize that it's actually just cheaper memory that you can barely give away. They'll think it's standard memory that's on a good sale and that, hell, they're doing you such a favor that you shouldn't be such a louse to complain that they rip you off in shipping charges.

Hide the Bad Stuff

What the page looks like if you scroll past the section that's supposed to have generic technical information, not important disclaimers.

Lastly, I'm going to avoid getting in trouble for "false advertising" by having text that explains what High Density RAM is right there in with the rest of the text including a nice big red header. But if people acutally read this section, I'm not going to get any sales so I'm going to hide it in plain sight.

First, I'm going to take advantage of the fact that most eBay auctions contain a whole lot of details of the product cut and pasted from a manufacturer's site. Most people have figured this out and when they find what they need, they'll skip over this section and go straight to the auction specific information about shipping, returns, item condition and quality etc.

By sticking my disclaimer in the middle of the "basic non-auction specific" section of the listing, people are far more likely to assume that nothing in there is relevant data. But I've got that "Big Red Header" which might draw their attention.

To handle that, I'm not going to use "Check Your Compatibility", "Does Not Work With ASUS", or even "How High Density is different than Standard DDR". All those might give an impression I don't want so I'll just call it, "What is High Density". That's nice and generic and sounds like unimportant technical details like all the other text surrounding it. Hopefully, even if someone does notice the heading, they're not going to get the idea that it's really important.

Finally, I'm going to further separate the "Generic, but mostly unimportant information section" from the "Stuff that actually matters section" by using HTML columns and borders and a row of stars (**************) to divide the two visually.

Pulling it Together

If I did it right, you're going to think it's a normal brand of normal memory that just happens to be on a big sale. With my clever page division and hiding the really important information in with the technical details rather than the important auction related section (where important disclaimers and known compatibility issues should go), I've almost guaranteed that I'll sucker enough people to offload all of the memory or at least turn a profit by constantly shipping, returning, and reselling the memory with my overcharged shipping fees.

Getting a Refund

So of course, after learning I'd been suckered, I packed it right back up and sent it back to him which cost me $16 (including shipping confirmation and insurance). That's ok, I'll pay for my mistake, but I sent him an e-mail demanding a full refund including the shipping (which was $20 if you remember).

Which, of course, he's refusing because of his "Big Red Disclaimer". Well, I'm going to get my money one way or another and here's how:

Option 1: Be Nice

I want to try and convince him to refund it himself so the first thing I'll try is letting him know that listing it as Samsung memory and using their logo when it's not a Samsung product could be considered fraud or false advertising or something like that and eBay, PayPal, Samsung, and the California Attorney General's office (I know he's in California because of the shipping address) are sure to take notice.

I have a hard time believing he won't refund me $20 in the face of inquiries by these forces.

Once I get the refund, I'll contact the The Consumerist and maybe digg to advertise this issue, but I won't notify eBay or any of the others directly.

Option 2: Ask the Consumerist For Help

Assuming Option 1 fails, I'll try this instead:

Nothing like a little bad publicity and some weight from an established pro-consumer organization. They seem to be able to find phone numbers and contact info for people in the right places to get consumer issues solved. Rather than settle for a refund at this point, my goal will be to have his eBay account revoked unless he changes ALL of his auctions for High density to use a correct picture and put a proper disclaimer at the TOP of the auction.

Hopefully, the Consumerist and the people they know will convince eBay at least to take action to that effect. After all, my claim of intentional/unintentional confusion is valid and it wouldn't be a big deal to him to change his auctions as long as he wasn't trying to confuse people.

Option 3: Use my Credit Card's Protection

If all else fails, Credit cards often have buyer protection for situations like this. In this particular case, as someone who's unsatisfied with the quality of the product, all I have to do is prove that I've tried to get a refund and failed and they'll credit it back to me instead. They may do their own investigation or whatever, but the issue will be over as far as I'm concerned.

The Moral of The Story

No, it's NOT, "If it sounds too good to be true, it is". First of all, that's a very trite statement that's often wrong. Secondly, this didn't seem "too good to be true". It was a good discount from normal price, but not crazy or unbelievable. I expected the RAM sold through eBay to be lower than retail because if it wasn't no one would buy it anyway.

Instead, the moral here is that when you get screwed, don't give up and take it, fight back! Consumers have options and a well placed complaint or two can get a lot done.

Status

2007.12.04

I've sent the memory back. It's expected to arrive in 2 days. Once I get the majority of the refund, I'll press the issue of the shipping refund. Let's see how this turns out πŸ™‚

2007.12.12

He recieved it on 12/06 at 11am. It's been almost a week which I think is more than enough time to process a return so I sent him an e-mail saying "How soon should I see that refund". I haven't escalated since I haven't received any of the money yet, but I fully expect that he'll quote me some policy about not refunding until he gets positive feedback. That would be a mistake, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[+] 2007.12.13 - Partial Refund

So he gave me a partial refund. Still some $20 to go.

[+] 2007.12.17 - No response so far

I haven't heard anything. Time to ping him again.

[+] 2007.12.18 - Shipping Refunded

He refunded most of the shipping, but I'm not satisfied. He's still misleading people and shorted me cash so time for the negative feedback and report to eBay.

[+] 2007.12.19 - Feedback Soap Opera

Of course, at the end of any auction there's the chance to give mutual feedback. It's a staring contest where no one wants to blink first. I was never one for contests. I left him negative feedback and got a predictable response. But like hell I'm going to let him get away with it πŸ™‚


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hi,

please tell me how that ended, because the same happened to me now.

hi,

please tell me how that ended, because the same happened to me now.

hi,

please tell me how that ended, because the same happened to me now.

hi,

please tell me how that ended, because the same happened to me now.

Hi Peter. At the end of the article, you’ll see the headers with [+] next to them. These are expandable by clicking. Each section contains more information about what happened. If what you meant was you wanted to know what eBay did about my request for feedback intervention, I see that I neglected to include that. The answer is that they did nothing. Though I explained that it’s actionable and expected that with only a small amount of law savvy, they would agree, they said they don’t get involved.

I’ve noticed that eBay has changed their policy so only buyers get to leave feedback and I think this will go a long way towards preventing this kind of issued, but that doesn’t help me. I think I might ask them to remove all seller feedback on my account. After all, all the positive feedback is meaningless anyway “A++++ BUYER!” “FAST PAYMENT, GOOD BUYER!” etc.

Hi Peter. At the end of the article, you’ll see the headers with [+] next to them. These are expandable by clicking. Each section contains more information about what happened. If what you meant was you wanted to know what eBay did about my request for feedback intervention, I see that I neglected to include that. The answer is that they did nothing. Though I explained that it’s actionable and expected that with only a small amount of law savvy, they would agree, they said they don’t get involved.

I’ve noticed that eBay has changed their policy so only buyers get to leave feedback and I think this will go a long way towards preventing this kind of issued, but that doesn’t help me. I think I might ask them to remove all seller feedback on my account. After all, all the positive feedback is meaningless anyway “A++++ BUYER!” “FAST PAYMENT, GOOD BUYER!” etc.

Hi Peter. At the end of the article, you’ll see the headers with [+] next to them. These are expandable by clicking. Each section contains more information about what happened. If what you meant was you wanted to know what eBay did about my request for feedback intervention, I see that I neglected to include that. The answer is that they did nothing. Though I explained that it’s actionable and expected that with only a small amount of law savvy, they would agree, they said they don’t get involved.

I’ve noticed that eBay has changed their policy so only buyers get to leave feedback and I think this will go a long way towards preventing this kind of issued, but that doesn’t help me. I think I might ask them to remove all seller feedback on my account. After all, all the positive feedback is meaningless anyway “A++++ BUYER!” “FAST PAYMENT, GOOD BUYER!” etc.

Hi Peter. At the end of the article, you’ll see the headers with [+] next to them. These are expandable by clicking. Each section contains more information about what happened. If what you meant was you wanted to know what eBay did about my request for feedback intervention, I see that I neglected to include that. The answer is that they did nothing. Though I explained that it’s actionable and expected that with only a small amount of law savvy, they would agree, they said they don’t get involved.

I’ve noticed that eBay has changed their policy so only buyers get to leave feedback and I think this will go a long way towards preventing this kind of issued, but that doesn’t help me. I think I might ask them to remove all seller feedback on my account. After all, all the positive feedback is meaningless anyway “A++++ BUYER!” “FAST PAYMENT, GOOD BUYER!” etc.

Hi Peter. At the end of the article, you’ll see the headers with [+] next to them. These are expandable by clicking. Each section contains more information about what happened. If what you meant was you wanted to know what eBay did about my request for feedback intervention, I see that I neglected to include that. The answer is that they did nothing. Though I explained that it’s actionable and expected that with only a small amount of law savvy, they would agree, they said they don’t get involved.

I’ve noticed that eBay has changed their policy so only buyers get to leave feedback and I think this will go a long way towards preventing this kind of issued, but that doesn’t help me. I think I might ask them to remove all seller feedback on my account. After all, all the positive feedback is meaningless anyway “A++++ BUYER!” “FAST PAYMENT, GOOD BUYER!” etc.

I very much agree with your assessment of Ebay sellers who hide the fact about the junk they are selling in the fine print. I became a victim of
the identical scenario you are describing above. 1 GB stick of PC 2700 that only shows up as 512 MB on the board it was intended for. This Intel board takes just about any other type of RAM, single or double sided, but no go on the high density.
I was offered several “remedies” for the problem–all of them very costly when you add shipping for return, additional money he wants and additional shipping back to me. Frankly, I will chalk this up to experience, and watch for a local sale to get the correct memory. No way am I going to throw good money after bad with this seller. In general, I have found that the quality of items sold on Ebay has gone downhill. Laptop drives that have been dropped, and work just enough so you can’t say it doesn’t, burned out CPU’s, buggy motherboards, I/O shields missing, and even one mobo without the bios chip !! Can you believe this ??? When you consider the shipping costs nowadays, it is just no longer a bargain for PC stuff. I will still buy a book or a CD/DVD, and pre-paid phone cards (book rate and zero shipping), but other than that, I’m pretty much done buying anything on Ebay. Gotten stung just a few times too often.

I very much agree with your assessment of Ebay sellers who hide the fact about the junk they are selling in the fine print. I became a victim of
the identical scenario you are describing above. 1 GB stick of PC 2700 that only shows up as 512 MB on the board it was intended for. This Intel board takes just about any other type of RAM, single or double sided, but no go on the high density.
I was offered several “remedies” for the problem–all of them very costly when you add shipping for return, additional money he wants and additional shipping back to me. Frankly, I will chalk this up to experience, and watch for a local sale to get the correct memory. No way am I going to throw good money after bad with this seller. In general, I have found that the quality of items sold on Ebay has gone downhill. Laptop drives that have been dropped, and work just enough so you can’t say it doesn’t, burned out CPU’s, buggy motherboards, I/O shields missing, and even one mobo without the bios chip !! Can you believe this ??? When you consider the shipping costs nowadays, it is just no longer a bargain for PC stuff. I will still buy a book or a CD/DVD, and pre-paid phone cards (book rate and zero shipping), but other than that, I’m pretty much done buying anything on Ebay. Gotten stung just a few times too often.

I very much agree with your assessment of Ebay sellers who hide the fact about the junk they are selling in the fine print. I became a victim of
the identical scenario you are describing above. 1 GB stick of PC 2700 that only shows up as 512 MB on the board it was intended for. This Intel board takes just about any other type of RAM, single or double sided, but no go on the high density.
I was offered several “remedies” for the problem–all of them very costly when you add shipping for return, additional money he wants and additional shipping back to me. Frankly, I will chalk this up to experience, and watch for a local sale to get the correct memory. No way am I going to throw good money after bad with this seller. In general, I have found that the quality of items sold on Ebay has gone downhill. Laptop drives that have been dropped, and work just enough so you can’t say it doesn’t, burned out CPU’s, buggy motherboards, I/O shields missing, and even one mobo without the bios chip !! Can you believe this ??? When you consider the shipping costs nowadays, it is just no longer a bargain for PC stuff. I will still buy a book or a CD/DVD, and pre-paid phone cards (book rate and zero shipping), but other than that, I’m pretty much done buying anything on Ebay. Gotten stung just a few times too often.

I very much agree with your assessment of Ebay sellers who hide the fact about the junk they are selling in the fine print. I became a victim of
the identical scenario you are describing above. 1 GB stick of PC 2700 that only shows up as 512 MB on the board it was intended for. This Intel board takes just about any other type of RAM, single or double sided, but no go on the high density.
I was offered several “remedies” for the problem–all of them very costly when you add shipping for return, additional money he wants and additional shipping back to me. Frankly, I will chalk this up to experience, and watch for a local sale to get the correct memory. No way am I going to throw good money after bad with this seller. In general, I have found that the quality of items sold on Ebay has gone downhill. Laptop drives that have been dropped, and work just enough so you can’t say it doesn’t, burned out CPU’s, buggy motherboards, I/O shields missing, and even one mobo without the bios chip !! Can you believe this ??? When you consider the shipping costs nowadays, it is just no longer a bargain for PC stuff. I will still buy a book or a CD/DVD, and pre-paid phone cards (book rate and zero shipping), but other than that, I’m pretty much done buying anything on Ebay. Gotten stung just a few times too often.

I very much agree with your assessment of Ebay sellers who hide the fact about the junk they are selling in the fine print. I became a victim of
the identical scenario you are describing above. 1 GB stick of PC 2700 that only shows up as 512 MB on the board it was intended for. This Intel board takes just about any other type of RAM, single or double sided, but no go on the high density.
I was offered several “remedies” for the problem–all of them very costly when you add shipping for return, additional money he wants and additional shipping back to me. Frankly, I will chalk this up to experience, and watch for a local sale to get the correct memory. No way am I going to throw good money after bad with this seller. In general, I have found that the quality of items sold on Ebay has gone downhill. Laptop drives that have been dropped, and work just enough so you can’t say it doesn’t, burned out CPU’s, buggy motherboards, I/O shields missing, and even one mobo without the bios chip !! Can you believe this ??? When you consider the shipping costs nowadays, it is just no longer a bargain for PC stuff. I will still buy a book or a CD/DVD, and pre-paid phone cards (book rate and zero shipping), but other than that, I’m pretty much done buying anything on Ebay. Gotten stung just a few times too often.

I’m sorry to hear about that, but I agree with much of you said. The biggest downer for me on eBay is that they won’t support their users. When I complained about this guy, they didn’t do anything. The fact that he was using a brand logo and picture that didn’t correspond to his product is fraudulent in my opinion and they should have intervened. They should also have intervened when he left the comment on my comment. But they didn’t and they won’t. Some customer service.

Anyway, if you paid by credit card, you can always do a chargeback. That way you get your money and if he gets enough of those, the credit vendor will cancel his merchant account (or so I hear).

I’m sorry to hear about that, but I agree with much of you said. The biggest downer for me on eBay is that they won’t support their users. When I complained about this guy, they didn’t do anything. The fact that he was using a brand logo and picture that didn’t correspond to his product is fraudulent in my opinion and they should have intervened. They should also have intervened when he left the comment on my comment. But they didn’t and they won’t. Some customer service.

Anyway, if you paid by credit card, you can always do a chargeback. That way you get your money and if he gets enough of those, the credit vendor will cancel his merchant account (or so I hear).

I’m sorry to hear about that, but I agree with much of you said. The biggest downer for me on eBay is that they won’t support their users. When I complained about this guy, they didn’t do anything. The fact that he was using a brand logo and picture that didn’t correspond to his product is fraudulent in my opinion and they should have intervened. They should also have intervened when he left the comment on my comment. But they didn’t and they won’t. Some customer service.

Anyway, if you paid by credit card, you can always do a chargeback. That way you get your money and if he gets enough of those, the credit vendor will cancel his merchant account (or so I hear).

I’m sorry to hear about that, but I agree with much of you said. The biggest downer for me on eBay is that they won’t support their users. When I complained about this guy, they didn’t do anything. The fact that he was using a brand logo and picture that didn’t correspond to his product is fraudulent in my opinion and they should have intervened. They should also have intervened when he left the comment on my comment. But they didn’t and they won’t. Some customer service.

Anyway, if you paid by credit card, you can always do a chargeback. That way you get your money and if he gets enough of those, the credit vendor will cancel his merchant account (or so I hear).

I’m sorry to hear about that, but I agree with much of you said. The biggest downer for me on eBay is that they won’t support their users. When I complained about this guy, they didn’t do anything. The fact that he was using a brand logo and picture that didn’t correspond to his product is fraudulent in my opinion and they should have intervened. They should also have intervened when he left the comment on my comment. But they didn’t and they won’t. Some customer service.

Anyway, if you paid by credit card, you can always do a chargeback. That way you get your money and if he gets enough of those, the credit vendor will cancel his merchant account (or so I hear).

Great info. Researching cjips now. I bid on one luckily i was outbid.
Asking seller now i he has 16 chip (8 on each side) no response as of yet.
thank you

Great info. Researching cjips now. I bid on one luckily i was outbid.
Asking seller now i he has 16 chip (8 on each side) no response as of yet.
thank you

Great info. Researching cjips now. I bid on one luckily i was outbid.
Asking seller now i he has 16 chip (8 on each side) no response as of yet.
thank you

Great info. Researching cjips now. I bid on one luckily i was outbid.
Asking seller now i he has 16 chip (8 on each side) no response as of yet.
thank you

Thank you very much for this imformative website! Unfortunately, I didn’t bother to look until I was duped as well. Decided to build a brand new gaming computer (since my old one was 4 years old). I did get a very nice Bare Bones system from Ebay (Magic Mirco, check ’em out!) and decided I could find memory cheaper…and I did. You get what you pay for, and I should have known it! Got me for 3 2 gig sticks. The seller accepted the return, but I ate the shipping fees from him a nice 30 bucks. Called Magic Micro, and they told me what was up, and sent me the correct (dual channel 2gig sticks) which is what I should have done to start with. Just chalking this one up to experience and warning everyone I can.

Thank you very much for this imformative website! Unfortunately, I didn’t bother to look until I was duped as well. Decided to build a brand new gaming computer (since my old one was 4 years old). I did get a very nice Bare Bones system from Ebay (Magic Mirco, check ’em out!) and decided I could find memory cheaper…and I did. You get what you pay for, and I should have known it! Got me for 3 2 gig sticks. The seller accepted the return, but I ate the shipping fees from him a nice 30 bucks. Called Magic Micro, and they told me what was up, and sent me the correct (dual channel 2gig sticks) which is what I should have done to start with. Just chalking this one up to experience and warning everyone I can.

Thank you very much for this imformative website! Unfortunately, I didn’t bother to look until I was duped as well. Decided to build a brand new gaming computer (since my old one was 4 years old). I did get a very nice Bare Bones system from Ebay (Magic Mirco, check ’em out!) and decided I could find memory cheaper…and I did. You get what you pay for, and I should have known it! Got me for 3 2 gig sticks. The seller accepted the return, but I ate the shipping fees from him a nice 30 bucks. Called Magic Micro, and they told me what was up, and sent me the correct (dual channel 2gig sticks) which is what I should have done to start with. Just chalking this one up to experience and warning everyone I can.

Thank you very much for this imformative website! Unfortunately, I didn’t bother to look until I was duped as well. Decided to build a brand new gaming computer (since my old one was 4 years old). I did get a very nice Bare Bones system from Ebay (Magic Mirco, check ’em out!) and decided I could find memory cheaper…and I did. You get what you pay for, and I should have known it! Got me for 3 2 gig sticks. The seller accepted the return, but I ate the shipping fees from him a nice 30 bucks. Called Magic Micro, and they told me what was up, and sent me the correct (dual channel 2gig sticks) which is what I should have done to start with. Just chalking this one up to experience and warning everyone I can.

Thank you very much for this imformative website! Unfortunately, I didn’t bother to look until I was duped as well. Decided to build a brand new gaming computer (since my old one was 4 years old). I did get a very nice Bare Bones system from Ebay (Magic Mirco, check ’em out!) and decided I could find memory cheaper…and I did. You get what you pay for, and I should have known it! Got me for 3 2 gig sticks. The seller accepted the return, but I ate the shipping fees from him a nice 30 bucks. Called Magic Micro, and they told me what was up, and sent me the correct (dual channel 2gig sticks) which is what I should have done to start with. Just chalking this one up to experience and warning everyone I can.

Oh, I just read my post and want to clarify, Magic Micro DID NOT sell me the High Density RAM, they sold the Barebones, explained to me what happened, and sent me the correct Low Density RAM for my Asus Mobo because I wanted nothing from the other seller. Magic Micro has been wonderful and I highly recommend them. Sorry!

Oh, I just read my post and want to clarify, Magic Micro DID NOT sell me the High Density RAM, they sold the Barebones, explained to me what happened, and sent me the correct Low Density RAM for my Asus Mobo because I wanted nothing from the other seller. Magic Micro has been wonderful and I highly recommend them. Sorry!

Oh, I just read my post and want to clarify, Magic Micro DID NOT sell me the High Density RAM, they sold the Barebones, explained to me what happened, and sent me the correct Low Density RAM for my Asus Mobo because I wanted nothing from the other seller. Magic Micro has been wonderful and I highly recommend them. Sorry!

Oh, I just read my post and want to clarify, Magic Micro DID NOT sell me the High Density RAM, they sold the Barebones, explained to me what happened, and sent me the correct Low Density RAM for my Asus Mobo because I wanted nothing from the other seller. Magic Micro has been wonderful and I highly recommend them. Sorry!

Oh, I just read my post and want to clarify, Magic Micro DID NOT sell me the High Density RAM, they sold the Barebones, explained to me what happened, and sent me the correct Low Density RAM for my Asus Mobo because I wanted nothing from the other seller. Magic Micro has been wonderful and I highly recommend them. Sorry!

I’m ashamed to say this happened to me too. I quickly escalated to giving bad feedback and the seller now refuses to issue an RMA without my disputing with Paypal (which I have done).

I will also follow up with Ebay. Part of the whole routine of this seller — Smilentango — is that they pressure you to give favorable feedback through price breaks up upgrades or restocking fees.

I’m ashamed to say this happened to me too. I quickly escalated to giving bad feedback and the seller now refuses to issue an RMA without my disputing with Paypal (which I have done).

I will also follow up with Ebay. Part of the whole routine of this seller — Smilentango — is that they pressure you to give favorable feedback through price breaks up upgrades or restocking fees.

I’m ashamed to say this happened to me too. I quickly escalated to giving bad feedback and the seller now refuses to issue an RMA without my disputing with Paypal (which I have done).

I will also follow up with Ebay. Part of the whole routine of this seller — Smilentango — is that they pressure you to give favorable feedback through price breaks up upgrades or restocking fees.

I got stung the same way last year. I did some digging and–surprise!–there’s apparently no such thing as “high density” and “low density” when it comes to ram specs. Go to any name brand vendor (Kingston, Crucial) and see for yourself. Same result for my motherboard vendor.

So what’s happening here? I think the logical conclusion is that these guys are all scammers, selling marginal ram. If it doesn’t work, they say, “Well, it’s high-density ram–what do you expect?” They might as well be working for Monster Cables, and advertise that their ram chips use “oxygenated electrons.” It’s BS no matter how you slice it.

If I’m wrong, please point me to a VALID site discussing “ram density.” Not the sites not associated with manufacturers.

Oh, I gave the scammer a negative review, he did the same to me, eBay made peace and got the guy to refund everything, including shipping. What a jerk.

I got stung the same way last year. I did some digging and–surprise!–there’s apparently no such thing as “high density” and “low density” when it comes to ram specs. Go to any name brand vendor (Kingston, Crucial) and see for yourself. Same result for my motherboard vendor.

So what’s happening here? I think the logical conclusion is that these guys are all scammers, selling marginal ram. If it doesn’t work, they say, “Well, it’s high-density ram–what do you expect?” They might as well be working for Monster Cables, and advertise that their ram chips use “oxygenated electrons.” It’s BS no matter how you slice it.

If I’m wrong, please point me to a VALID site discussing “ram density.” Not the sites not associated with manufacturers.

Oh, I gave the scammer a negative review, he did the same to me, eBay made peace and got the guy to refund everything, including shipping. What a jerk.

I also got duped (by smilentango) – it was listed that it was high density – but it wasn’t particularly clear that this meant it didn’t work on most motherboards.
As luck would have it, while it didn’t work in the PC I’d bought it for – it did actually work in my other PC – so I kept it and switched the memory around in the PCs. If it hadn’t I would have kept it and chalked it up to a life lesson – I ceratinly wasn’t going to pay the extra to buy from them again.

I also got duped (by smilentango) – it was listed that it was high density – but it wasn’t particularly clear that this meant it didn’t work on most motherboards.
As luck would have it, while it didn’t work in the PC I’d bought it for – it did actually work in my other PC – so I kept it and switched the memory around in the PCs. If it hadn’t I would have kept it and chalked it up to a life lesson – I ceratinly wasn’t going to pay the extra to buy from them again.

I also got duped (by smilentango) – it was listed that it was high density – but it wasn’t particularly clear that this meant it didn’t work on most motherboards.
As luck would have it, while it didn’t work in the PC I’d bought it for – it did actually work in my other PC – so I kept it and switched the memory around in the PCs. If it hadn’t I would have kept it and chalked it up to a life lesson – I ceratinly wasn’t going to pay the extra to buy from them again.

I also got duped today by smilentango. They actually shipped one stick that was completely defective and one stick that was just incompatible (because it was high density). The defective one actually had two “identifying” stickers stuck on top of each other, as though they had retagged it to appear to be the RAM I purchased. Of course, all of their “remedies” are at additional cost. Buyer beware; look at some of their item listings to see how slickly they cover themselves and milk this scam! (Thanks for posting your article.)

I also got duped today by smilentango. They actually shipped one stick that was completely defective and one stick that was just incompatible (because it was high density). The defective one actually had two “identifying” stickers stuck on top of each other, as though they had retagged it to appear to be the RAM I purchased. Of course, all of their “remedies” are at additional cost. Buyer beware; look at some of their item listings to see how slickly they cover themselves and milk this scam! (Thanks for posting your article.)

I also got duped today by smilentango. They actually shipped one stick that was completely defective and one stick that was just incompatible (because it was high density). The defective one actually had two “identifying” stickers stuck on top of each other, as though they had retagged it to appear to be the RAM I purchased. Of course, all of their “remedies” are at additional cost. Buyer beware; look at some of their item listings to see how slickly they cover themselves and milk this scam! (Thanks for posting your article.)

sigh….I should find this earlier.
I am now in the refund process with Smilentango. I can’t believe I was duped. I even gave them a positive at the begining because they told me to do so first , then fix other things.
Is there any other ways to stop these trash?

sigh….I should find this earlier.
I am now in the refund process with Smilentango. I can’t believe I was duped. I even gave them a positive at the begining because they told me to do so first , then fix other things.
Is there any other ways to stop these trash?

sigh….I should find this earlier.
I am now in the refund process with Smilentango. I can’t believe I was duped. I even gave them a positive at the begining because they told me to do so first , then fix other things.
Is there any other ways to stop these trash?

Dave Griffin says:

Yep,
Got me too….
Although I might be OK – I emailed first with motherboard compatibility – lets see where it goes.

Dave Griffin says:

Yep,
Got me too….
Although I might be OK – I emailed first with motherboard compatibility – lets see where it goes.

Dave Griffin says:

Yep,
Got me too….
Although I might be OK – I emailed first with motherboard compatibility – lets see where it goes.

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